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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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it's dj along with

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actually nobody's here okay

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[Laughter]

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hold on a sec oh oh man i have the

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youtube going

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i i forgot that the youtube here's

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what's up um

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i look to my left i look to my right i'm

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in a i'm in a wing formation here and

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there's no one in formation with me

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nathan is still in the uk uh deb is in

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orlando uh kevin should be showing up

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because he wants to talk about music

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with sean

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allison are supposed to be here our new

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phenoms the young guns if you will uh

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and also kevin is supposed to show up as

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well when he gets some from work he's on

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california time working with those

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little kids taking care of their mental

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health but for right now it's just me

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that new intro song was done by

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charlotte the thunderbird

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on twitter she's amazing she has done

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intro music for

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uh nathan for deb for cab she's doing it

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for my new moto gp podcast that's right

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that's what's about to go down and uh

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and we love i love you charlotte anyway

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uh i want very excited to bring on these

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two folks i heard

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one of the guests here that was on the

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other one's uh show and so that person

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is sean rash the witness citizen all of

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you guys know him he's extremely popular

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and very well known a researcher in the

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biz and somebody that a lot of people

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look up to including me

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okay uh another person i look up to is a

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person who was uh his guest who is a

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humanitarian which uh strikes at uh

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every part of my bleeding heart that

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loves people and loves animals and loves

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the world and loves people from every

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different culture and loves music and

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everything else so there's a lot of love

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here i know shawn's probably like what's

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going on with this guy dj man he's kind

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of freaking weird okay

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and um to that i would say

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yes yes i would say that's that's fairly

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accurate so let's bring in our special

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guest i'm very excited to have the first

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first cab fireside chat even though the

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beautiful logo that nathan made up is

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not up because i'm a technical meat head

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and usually handles this this is going

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to be the first fireside chat

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so party people

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put those hands together

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for the witness citizen

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can i get it amen from somebody up in

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here you need to like an applause button

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otherwise after that intro it's just so

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underwhelming because the intro is so

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people in the audience you know you know

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lollapalooza there was a lot more people

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there so no actually i'm quite used to

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all right party people put those hands

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together for the humanitarian homie

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kind on the show in the air force

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they're not quite as kind so that's why

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personality can come out whereas at work

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i have to be repressed i got to button

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it all up and act professional and then

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when i come on here i can be the idiot

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that sean sees every week

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so anyway uh welcome guys um thank you

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so in this format it no it's an honor uh

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to have you guys in this format the

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fireside chat is meant to be not an

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interview

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uh but more of just we bring up topics

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that are interesting i have an opener

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and then i'm just going to riff off of

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what you guys are saying

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um i'm never bad at conversation it's

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kind of something i'm good at which is

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why i started a podcast 12 years ago

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about mma

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i've been doing this for 12 years if you

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can believe that uh so wow

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um not surprising right the way that i

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babble um

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no no that's cool when i was young when

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i was younger in my later years in high

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school i wanted to be a

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a disc jockey uh on the radio uh but the

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the school i wanted to go to is a little

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too far and too expensive and i just

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wound up working full-time instead so i

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guess i'm living out my my uh childhood

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me too i didn't think it'd be about ufos

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yeah okay oh wait katie can you just

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kind of like do a

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hair flip thing

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i got my little like fan going on right

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here because it's like 300 degrees with

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man is that even possible 200 percent

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i'm gonna say cheers to you guys uh i

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don't know who started doing the glass

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of wine first me or vinnie but to to to

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vinnie adams to sean and to katie so

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this isn't meant to be an interview but

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i'd be remiss if i i'm really interested

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because i don't know who sean is as a

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person in his regular life and to the

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and and i also don't know i actually

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know more about katie that i know about

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sean just from a little interaction on

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linkedin but sean if you would with

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whatever you feel comfortable sharing i

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know that you're a musician uh which i

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love because music is like my favorite

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thing ever uh please tell us a little

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bit about yourself

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yeah i'm a musician i spent most of my

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adult life uh towards the end of high

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school and up till a couple years ago

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really playing shows and and making

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songs and and doing all that um so

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usually just like local shows have done

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just did it for the passion and um the

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creative aspect of it don't get me wrong

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i would have totally enjoyed being a

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rich band guy but it just never happened

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companies get to like appointments and

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business opportunities and stuff so i do

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that now but um i'm married

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other but love each other

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yeah um i just want to say there's a

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couple people in the chat paranormal

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pixie is here lara what's up

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arlo what's up yo elena's here

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uh arlene is here i'm sorry there's

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nobody to attend to you like deb usually

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shirt for you yeah

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oh man did you see i don't know if you

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saw we did the the beatles versus stones

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the uh yeah the british invasion and

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that was so much fun man that that

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it was it was a niche idea and uh it

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bands and i'm thinking of another um

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the streets have no name

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well i mean on if if if you're making

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your mount rushmore and you have a band

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that has the original four members since

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stones the who

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and uh the beatles well then i could i

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you two just based on the longevity i

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the who's bob o'reilly and we had turned

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the speakers up in my friend's

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parents house and they started

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say the other guys corroborated the

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story but they were high too so i don't

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know but i think i i think an argument

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could be made based on the amount of

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influential music the fact that like the

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edge alone uh his guitar playing is

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extremely distinct he created his own

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sound that he didn't copy off of anybody

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else and so i i think there's an

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the argument because i love both bands

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uh the who versus you two

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who you know uh four members of the who

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four members of youtube and you could

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throw the guess who in there and really

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confuse you yeah but that's not not

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mount rushmore great music i mean i

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could i could name a hundred bands that

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i love you know bowie i mean bowie could

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be against like bowie is there's nobody

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like bowie you could do bowie and peter

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gabriel almost but bowie and prince

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bowie and prince that see there you go

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thank you sean i'll write that down and

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i'll give you credit when we do that

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show okay um

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want to thank you for being a musician

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and creating i look at that i i said

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this to ufo thinker frank for those of

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you who don't know him he's kind of like

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extended cab fam

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uh frank who has this show in the uk

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called ufo thinker um and he's had a lot

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you know gee i wish i would have been

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able to join the military i have a lot

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of physical issues i said you are in

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service

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and you know charlotte's out there

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teaching people to make music you know

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uh uh you're making music frank is out

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there teaching people to play the drums

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and he's like you he's

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on tour you know playing the drums uh

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and actually shared some of his drum

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work with me which was people on twitter

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haven't heard it but i have

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so uh i love this and he's actually like

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played the drums and just put it on

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signal so you guys are in service and

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thank you for your service for bringing

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uh art to the world that's something

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that we need as much as any military

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person katie my friend oh thanks yeah

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what's up man tell me what you want to

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talk about

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i want to hear about you holmes

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who are you yeah go ahead sing and sing

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it sean

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[Laughter]

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you need the

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um i guess i'm an accidental ufo twitter

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joiner uh

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didn't really intend to end up here but

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that's what happens when you are open on

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social media about things you're doing

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in your life

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um

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worker

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getting paid very little to do really

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hard work that's awesome

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i've done a lot of work with like

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refugees and survivors of genocide

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um

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i got held up by a child soldier at one

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point like i've had some really cool

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experiences yeah south sudan that was

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that was intense um

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but no i i've been like kind of

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secondarily involved in politics my

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whole career as well um

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mainly like internships and volunteering

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and things like that and that's kind of

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how i ended up here i was

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volunteering on the binding campaign

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yep i'm a liberal deal with it

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and

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i know like i like it the worst place in

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the world for this i know um but i john

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podesta recommended really read leslie

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kane's ufo book and a lot of reading

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later i ended up here so

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it's kind of cool it's been really

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interesting um outside of ufos and

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uh no i

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like to vintage thrift

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i run like a vintage three fail thing on

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the side so i have filled with like

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1950s decor

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we got some extra pyrex hit a girl up

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um

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and

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yeah

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i don't know like i have a very riveting

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social life um composed mainly of

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bugging sean and jay on twitter and

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i have a puppy i am married

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um i have a puppy who is a psychotically

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needy schnauzer um

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and you'll see me talking a lot about

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lgbtq issues

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um because i'm a member of that

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community as well

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i think what else i'm a pisces

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yeah me too i'm of course big big mushy

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heart yeah that's about it i don't know

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but it's my age

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you know as an aquarius oh my age

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no no no this is

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singing sean

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yeah it shows the age gap between me and

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you guys i'm 55.

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and you can see i'm really mature and

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with i don't have any energy at all um

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maturity's overrated yeah

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katie i want to say uh i have a comment

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and a question regarding the work that

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you do uh it's way too earlier in our

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friendship for me to say i love you but

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i love you uh because of what you're

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doing

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and sec and the question and the

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um the question is uh ufo twitter has it

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ever made you think about cutting

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yourself like taking a razor blade and

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because it's done that to sean myself

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and the rest of them so i don't know if

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you're look the amount of people who

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have asked me if i'm a [\h__\h] hybrid

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like i'm gonna lose my [\h__\h] i don't know

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what's wrong with my eyes apparently but

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like i hear this a lot like i think my

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eyes are pretty average

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um

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but i even made a joke recently that

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shawn and i were coming to talk about

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our hybrid status yeah and i got so many

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messages like thank you for your courage

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yo if you

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are going i got a lot of people

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asking me where it is

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i'm sorry but like if someone says we're

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going to announce that we're hybrids and

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share all of the mysteries of the

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universe and your reaction is yes

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that means we didn't do it soon enough

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actually i want to say this

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number like what kind of power can i

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wield here because i'm very interested i

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think you're in a really good place

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because i had an experience with the

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phenomenon whereby you know abducted and

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i offered my dna and they said no thank

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you and dropped me off

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and you know it feels like we're good

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yes i i mean i was kind of hurt i'm not

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did you shower that day

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yes i did i mean i put on my ck1 i

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i don't know what happened

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the abduction was a mistake please go

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did they still make ck1

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yeah okay

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somewhere guys like let's let's reel it

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in back to reality a little bit yeah

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everybody that watches the shows knows

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that i have fun uh i have an experiencer

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as part of the show a couple of

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experiencers on this show deb

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uh actually three uh steph and kevin

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um nathan and i are the outliers

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although i have had a sighting as a

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child in new york child meaning like 15.

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um

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and uh but no i i mess around you know i

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have a self-deprecation

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mess around that's another song

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so um all right so let you ready to get

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into uaps before lara fires me or benji

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or somebody um all right so

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okay

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so

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i haven't uh dug

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but i assume that we're going to have

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hearings fairly soon

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um what do you expect to come out of

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that each each of you guys and then

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i'll let you take that first okay uh i

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have no idea if there's going to be a

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hearing soon i have the i don't have any

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secret sources but uh

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um i pay attention to chris sharpe

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liberation times that's a good person to

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to watch and i saw him just

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i saw him just say something about uh

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you know maybe september but it's gonna

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be more important for them to get some

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immunity language uh written and passed

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as law and it would be after that where

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you'd get anything

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you know good stuff to come out of the

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hearings so

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i don't know um hopefully that happens

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you know it's really easy

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to take i find it's really easy to take

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for granted uh when stuff happens and

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you know ufo twitter land whether it be

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hearings or you know a piece of news

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that corbell comes out with or or

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whatever because it could easily just

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like

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go silent

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[Laughter]

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we'd have

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nothing like that to talk about how i'm

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you know

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so

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you know i'm always afraid that that's

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gonna happen to be quite honest with you

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but uh i hope that doesn't happen i hope

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we have hearings we need to have

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earrings the last hearing sucked and

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you know i think we need more than that

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and um

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you know it's just unfortunate i'd like

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to get to a place where experiencers are

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taken

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uh seriously and into account because

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you know all we've heard about really

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that taken seriously since the late 40s

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has been military encounters which are

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are important but

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there's so much more to this and we just

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can't get there until we get over a

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certain hump so i just hope we we do

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that quick

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i would just caveat that with that i

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would say that we know of because we

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don't know how many people they've taken

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testimony from not the least of which

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was sure uh stan friedman um

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and

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um

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also there's so many

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um i don't want to say the word

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experiencers but so many sightings and

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so much footage that they've probably

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heard narratives of seeing film and or

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snapshots of that they're probably like

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you know we're good

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it's here

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yeah and we made legislation so that

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tells you we believe it's here now

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so do they need to hear about my

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experience from new york in uh 1982

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probably not uh because they already

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believe it's here

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sure i'll say that katie and would you

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like to tackle that my dear

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yeah i mean i echo a lot of what sean

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said i think

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what's probably happening right now i

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would guess um and this is kind of

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putting my former lobbyist hat on um is

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that a lot of the errors being stuck out

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of the room with the january 6th

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hearings um and with everything going on

520
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with the supreme court i think there's

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just going to be a lot of political

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attention elsewhere to be honest um

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regardless of where you follow

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um i also think paying attention to the

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legislative calendar

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will matter i mean we have midterm

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elections in november and so

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there's not going to be really much

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i wouldn't expect anything like in

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between elections and the end of the

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year um

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but it's possible depending on how the

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elections go that like we might get

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shake-ups of committee assignments or

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things like that um just so it you know

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basically what i'm trying to say is that

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the personalities involved might shift

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um essentially how

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members of congress get assigned

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committees is by both security and

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request so a committee like the

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00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,039
intelligence committee is

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very um

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you know popular so like you can't come

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in at the freshman congressman and be

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like i want to be on the intelligence

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committee

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00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:50,559
maybe

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background or you have a lot of bases in

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00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,360
your district or things like that so i

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haven't looked at frankly um the

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committees and seeing who

553
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,760
might be vulnerable or not that might be

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00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,280
a good thing to do

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00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,480
um but if we don't hear about it by

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you know september i would i just assume

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it's not happening this year

558
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,080
that's great that's so that's great for

559
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,679
the audience out there and what katie's

560
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,520
saying is look to september if you

561
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,679
haven't heard about hearings within

562
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,039
let's say i mean we're sitting at the

563
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,640
beast of july august by sometime uh two

564
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,000
months and change from now it's probably

565
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,600
not going to happen based on her

566
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,159
experience on the hill uh i will say for

567
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,320
your yes ma'am what i've been proven

568
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,480
wrong before

569
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,480
no

570
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,039
everything i ever say should be caveated

571
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,760
with i could be wrong

572
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,320
oh i mean i mean like screenshots in

573
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,320
october

574
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,880
you told me yeah

575
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,360
he's so funny sean's humor people don't

576
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,600
talk about sean's humor uh but that's

577
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,520
something that struck me and you're

578
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,360
really funny very witty

579
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,919
oh thanks man becca it's your brother

580
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,000
thank you and devastatingly handsome as

581
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,039
well both of you oh thanks oh thank you

582
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,950
get it together

583
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,190
you remind me of chris farley or

584
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,120
this is another heart attack another

585
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,480
number six yeah

586
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,760
[Laughter]

587
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,120
number six

588
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,960
i totally copy that i love you chris

589
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,720
farley i totally plagiarized that i

590
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,840
should inside my sources in mla format

591
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:30,159
um anyway um

592
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,120
so

593
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,480
you know i just want to say for your

594
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,640
benefit to two of you because a lot of

595
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,760
the audience knows me and my background

596
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,320
and actually actually katie does as well

597
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,559
um yeah i'm government guy i work for

598
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,039
the air force i'm retired air force and

599
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,039
i will openly

600
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,279
not openly but i'll say on here yeah

601
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,320
obviously they've lied to us since 1947

602
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,279
and it pisses me off service man

603
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,360
uh i was happy they took me they were

604
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,960
they had mercy and said i will take them

605
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,159
what the hell

606
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,720
um but but i i uh

607
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,440
i'm just as angry about that as you sean

608
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,720
i will try to understand why something

609
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,000
is being done

610
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,240
and something that katie just alluded to

611
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,120
she talked about january 6th she hearing

612
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,480
she talked about what's going on in the

613
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,559
supreme court she talked about midterms

614
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,080
so for the chief of staff of the air

615
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,360
force cq brown he's looking at oh [\h__\h]

616
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,760
i'm out of afghanistan i'm out of iraq

617
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,400
but now russia just invaded ukraine and

618
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,880
that's a completely different type of

619
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,440
warfare that i have to prepare my forces

620
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,919
for and now china is

621
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,520
is emboldened and being aggressive

622
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,919
towards taiwan and its neighbors so

623
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,440
that's a totally different enemy than

624
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,720
iraq was

625
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,440
so

626
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,760
if you ask him about uaps and he we're

627
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,279
in a private moment not on camera

628
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,120
probably i don't give a [\h__\h] about uaps

629
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,120
right now i prepare about how we're

630
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:54,400
going to adjust course to deal with

631
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,440
a non-permissive flying environment

632
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,919
which those two prior countries were and

633
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,840
these two countries have

634
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:03,840
massive integrated air defense anyway

635
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,440
well it depends right it depends like um

636
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,840
you know if that's the answer i can't

637
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,840
say that that would be the wrong answer

638
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,400
or anything but i that would help me

639
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,320
learn a little bit about the situation

640
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,120
to me that would mean that maybe uaps

641
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,880
are not really a national security

642
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,440
threat you know right either is it that

643
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,640
big of a

644
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,799
an emergency here if

645
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:28,960
other things can take precedence and you

646
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,400
know the world stage is on fire for sure

647
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,400
um one thing i always think of though

648
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:35,360
when

649
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,000
up is this uh beautiful quote

650
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,400
ross cohart said on my show which is you

651
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,320
know what it's never going to be a good

652
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,559
time there's always there's always going

653
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,440
to be something no i uh but but but but

654
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,480
to understand that sean and katie you

655
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,400
have to understand the first part of my

656
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,279
statement which was they lied and it

657
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,200
pisses me off

658
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,080
yeah but then i'm gonna say

659
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,159
i can disagree with what they're doing

660
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,320
and try to understand what they're doing

661
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,480
it's just like for katie you can

662
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,559
understand your opponent and you can

663
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,559
disagree with them but if you don't

664
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,080
understand him then you're [\h__\h]

665
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,279
nowhere

666
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,600
so i have to understand why he's doing

667
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,799
what he's doing

668
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,520
and why he's not focused on this and i

669
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,120
may and i'll disagree with him at the

670
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,279
same time but i understand which is

671
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,960
important in anybody that you disagree

672
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,279
with on anything to an extent i would i

673
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,960
have a hard time thinking the air force

674
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,679
is the the only um

675
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,679
branch to blame in this situation as

676
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,640
well to be quite honest with you so i i

677
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,760
think they take

678
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,240
the brunt of it because of project blue

679
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,080
book and they've had it for so long and

680
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360
they've released some misleading

681
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,520
statements during that time but in my

682
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,440
research i i could

683
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,200
i've seen that

684
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,120
uh just about every branch has had their

685
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,279
hands on the ufo kitty at one time or

686
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,559
another whether it's dia nsa cia which

687
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:01,679
is who i personally am most suspect of

688
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,279
at this point um army navy

689
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,039
but it all leads just kind of back to

690
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:09,120
one place really and that's the deal

691
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
freaking d

692
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
[Laughter]

693
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,760
for the deal

694
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,880
yeah

695
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,720
and just to just

696
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,200
just just to put another layer on top of

697
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,399
it

698
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,480
if you were to go and look in some of

699
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,720
the unclassified publications that talk

700
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,600
about

701
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,919
what the coast guard's mission

702
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,399
is to homeland security and when they're

703
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,640
activated to the secretary of defense

704
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,360
what is the united states navy's mission

705
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,679
to the joint staff the national command

706
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,480
authority sec death etc what is the us

707
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,480
air force's mission to to the

708
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,320
aforementioned what is the marine corps

709
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,880
mission what is the army's mission well

710
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,120
what the air force's mission is that's

711
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,679
different than all of those that i just

712
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,720
mentioned

713
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,039
is air superiority from the united

714
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,840
states over the united states and any

715
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,240
and and i've read this in regs i could i

716
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,679
could throw it up there because it's not

717
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,120
classified it's just

718
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,880
this is what our mission statement is

719
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:06,960
and their mission statement is we own

720
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,320
the skies and katie sean and myself know

721
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,159
no you don't

722
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,399
because the uap can fly anywhere they

723
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,559
want but you don't go up to your boss

724
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,840
and say

725
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,679
yeah boss i know we're great got a great

726
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,200
air force but yeah there's [\h__\h] out

727
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,720
there we have no we

728
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,120
we got nothing for these things

729
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
well and i think that brings up a really

730
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,120
important point right and harkens back

731
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,360
to understanding what else is going on

732
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,760
right now you know when i was a lobbyist

733
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,360
i worked with a lot of people that i

734
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,880
didn't agree with

735
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,200
but one of the important things you do

736
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,039
is you figure out what does everyone

737
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,279
care about and then you cater your

738
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,559
argument to that right i i was trying to

739
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,640
get increased funding for malaria i

740
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,399
didn't give a [\h__\h] why someone agreed to

741
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:53,039
do that if they wanted to do it because

742
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,399
service members oversee were getting

743
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,720
malaria great if they wanted to do it

744
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,120
because they cared about kids in

745
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,760
sub-saharan africa bleeding heart great

746
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,039
didn't matter to me at the end of the

747
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,200
day the result was the same and i think

748
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,360
sometimes we need to think about uap

749
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,640
stuff in this

750
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,120
same light and we all have our personal

751
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,840
reasons be it whether we're experiencers

752
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,399
or we're military members or you know

753
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,360
you name it that we're interested in uap

754
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,760
but if we're trying to focus on how do

755
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,080
we move the ball forward we have to

756
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,760
understand how people think we have to

757
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,799
understand what their primary

758
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,039
motivations are and first and foremost

759
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,640
it's getting reelected

760
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,039
so if you can make a big enough state

761
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:34,799
and make a big enough amount of phone

762
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:38,000
calls on the same day to an office i'm

763
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,200
telling you that's what's going to move

764
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,120
the needle and keep it going forward and

765
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,840
not let it just fizzle like shawn was uh

766
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,080
mentioning earlier i love the same day

767
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,080
idea there

768
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,960
you know yeah

769
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,360
we need to have days of action because i

770
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,760
mean the way it works and on the hill

771
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,159
they basically just tally calls they get

772
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,720
on certain issues an intern or a like

773
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,480
entry-level associate tallies and at the

774
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,720
end of the week the member gets a list

775
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,480
of these are the issues and these were

776
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
the pros and the cons and if you don't

777
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,440
have a big amount on the same week it's

778
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,399
just

779
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,840
i mean you can

780
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,840
call your member every week it's not

781
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,159
going to have a huge impact so like we

782
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:20,480
can get three one month three another

783
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,269
yeah it's not going to be issues

784
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,520
going on yeah

785
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,000
so we can find like community days where

786
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,960
we coalesce that would be incredible

787
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,679
i'll tell you a suspicion i had that i'd

788
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,960
like to run by you because you're

789
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,600
actually an expert in it and i'm not but

790
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,919
i i i know how the government i tell

791
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,919
people there's basically

792
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,320
basically 99

793
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,360
more than 99 of the phenomenon i'm just

794
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,279
looking for answers listening to

795
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,840
theories and trying to absorb what's

796
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,360
going on and try to figure it out with

797
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,080
everybody the two things that i do know

798
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,399
are the aviation aspect of what i look

799
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:04,880
at or when i hear a narrative from a

800
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,240
verified source of what a craft did i

801
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,640
know what i know what i'm looking for

802
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,159
that it would be anomalous or not

803
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,480
anomalous the other thing is i know how

804
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,840
the government works because i've got

805
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,600
like 30 years in it

806
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,760
um but i would ask you

807
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,559
i've told people that this ufo symposium

808
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,200
that happened and these other events

809
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,679
that happened and the ufo symposium in

810
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,360
utah that steph was part of was

811
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,640
extremely well attended uh and welsh and

812
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,320
streamed they got a lot of streams they

813
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,799
got a lot in attendance and i told them

814
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,480
i believe that people on the hill look

815
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,480
at that that those metrics when they

816
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,880
look at the ufo twitter metrics of how

817
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,360
many people are hashtag ufo twitter they

818
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:47,039
go back to the boss those staffers and

819
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,159
say man

820
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,840
you know you know we got this thing

821
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,000
coming up and this is how much traction

822
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,000
is getting online

823
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,679
this month we've had three or four of

824
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,320
these events and this is how many people

825
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,640
attended does that happen or is that all

826
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:01,840
in my mind

827
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,960
or i'm i'm guessing but does that happen

828
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,279
i when i interned on the hill we tallied

829
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,919
three things

830
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,360
number of

831
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,320
emails or letters

832
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,679
phone calls

833
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,000
actually i get four things um

834
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,320
social media mentions like direct like

835
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,080
if you are saying like you know at so

836
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:24,399
and so on twitter whatever whatever

837
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,480
and op ed placement they do look at like

838
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:30,000
if you have a community paper in your

839
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,120
district

840
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,039
right an op-ed it doesn't have to be

841
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,880
great get a good writer friend to help

842
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,279
you edit it um those are the four things

843
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,679
they track now after that they might

844
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,159
start looking at okay once they realize

845
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,240
hey a lot of my constituents care about

846
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,480
this then yeah they might start looking

847
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,559
into other things but i think well

848
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,880
coming up to the world

849
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,480
yeah i mean when you're coming up to a

850
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,159
vote and all these members are on

851
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:55,760
committee and we're going to be talking

852
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,799
about so in advance of the ndaa

853
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,120
and then when we had the hearings

854
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,960
i'm guess i was thinking all those

855
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,640
staffers are looking at the metrics on

856
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,679
uaps because my guy or gal is about to

857
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:08,799
go

858
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,840
on the floor and discuss it

859
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,519
so i figured they would know at that

860
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,480
point

861
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:15,519
i don't know

862
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,880
yeah and and and in advance to the ndaa

863
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,440
voting yay or nay

864
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,679
no maybe i mean it depends on the

865
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,000
staffer right different staffers have

866
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,159
their pet issues too so some some

867
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,760
staffers may be interested in uap some

868
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,960
may not request a meeting you're not

869
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,240
going to meet with the senator or the

870
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,760
member of congress you'll meet with a

871
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,840
staffer but request a meeting you don't

872
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:39,120
have to be an expert they're not going

873
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,240
to quiz you they're not going to make

874
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,240
you feel dumb but tell them that you

875
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,320
take this issue seriously you know and

876
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,240
that you're going to vote based on this

877
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,720
issue um because that's me and sean are

878
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,200
going for a meeting baby let's go we're

879
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,519
going yeah just handcuff them to cheer

880
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,440
until they agree to send your street to

881
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,120
the senator right

882
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,679
i mean like lightly illegal but i mean

883
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,960
doesn't mean it's not effective it

884
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,960
worked in parks and rec

885
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,360
this is important it's fine

886
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,120
all right sean what's your topic man

887
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,800
give me a topic so we can get off of

888
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,399
this congressional stuff

889
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:13,440
uh um what's interesting this week

890
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,720
what's interesting this week to me is

891
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,839
how about the james webb

892
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,119
telescope just clue me in because i've

893
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,240
been way too busy to i was hoping you

894
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,240
knew about it no i don't i'm just

895
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,599
kidding

896
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,240
no but that that's standard

897
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,119
they're putting out new photos on july

898
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,280
12th with this thing you know that's

899
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:37,760
like the hubble on steroids right

900
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,720
um and they just had uh somewhat of a

901
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,960
teleconference i think it was yesterday

902
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,240
or something

903
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,639
and uh they they made some pretty big

904
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,000
comments about this one guys and you

905
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,520
know when he saw the pictures he got a

906
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,040
little emotional

907
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,599
he says uh it may change like a world

908
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
view and not just for us like uh here at

909
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:00,480
nasa but for everybody and it'll go out

910
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,640
to billions of people on july 12th and

911
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,320
you know then some people are saying

912
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,000
well they always kind of say this thing

913
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,480
when they're doing something um but my

914
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,480
rebuttal to that is

915
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,720
you know not that i have a pot to piss

916
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,720
it so to speak on it but

917
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,359
um it's you know he made a point to say

918
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,000
it won't just be like that for us it'll

919
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:24,079
be like that for everybody

920
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,800
so

921
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,520
to for me that means that it may be

922
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,200
something more important this time

923
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,520
around does that mean i think that they

924
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,240
found like life or anything no

925
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,320
but i think um

926
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,880
what this telescope is doing is giving

927
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,839
them

928
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,720
a way to better um

929
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,119
put put forth an analysis on if the

930
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,359
exoplanet will have life

931
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,839
more uh concretely than is possible now

932
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,440
with like a spectrum

933
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,839
of the exoplanet which basically shows

934
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,160
all the different you know molecules and

935
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:58,160
different signatures coming off the

936
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,520
planet they'll be able to see they will

937
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,200
be hindered by like things like clouds

938
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,400
and such

939
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,280
um

940
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,320
so so that'll be pretty interesting and

941
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,560
um he also one of the guys said

942
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,079
something like uh

943
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,480
you know the nature is unveiling some of

944
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,480
its secrets and

945
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,320
you know um

946
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,079
you'll be able to see

947
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,599
the universe in a way you've never seen

948
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,160
it before and stuff like that so

949
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,560
you know um it'll be

950
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,640
interesting uh robert in the chat what's

951
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,200
up man he said yeah

952
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
he said the the aliens will see it

953
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,280
didn't he no he said the billions

954
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,760
billions will see it but it did sound

955
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,920
like he said aliens that i even had that

956
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,119
thought

957
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:40,960
even dr evil had to be connected

958
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:43,599
corrected on that you know so yeah

959
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,599
one million billion aliens

960
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,119
no so that could be

961
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,520
that could be exciting you know

962
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,280
and you know they're just trying to look

963
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,000
back to the beginning of you know

964
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,079
everything you know so so that's pretty

965
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,960
cool and oh and it went so well

966
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,440
that they are expecting 20 solid years

967
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,200
of research with it too

968
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,000
which is uh really good because i think

969
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,760
the estimations were quite a bit lower

970
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,680
at first so

971
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,440
i'm very excited that that is really

972
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,359
exciting if there's life but i want to

973
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,160
give uh katie a chance to come

974
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,760
a comment on this because again this is

975
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,440
an open forum man i'm not doing

976
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,200
interviews here

977
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,680
yeah i mean i i'm really excited i'm

978
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,400
looking forward to it um i had a friend

979
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,000
who worked on james while i was an

980
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,200
engineer and

981
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,920
i i just think it's fascinating

982
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:36,400
i know she might be give us the leaks

983
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,790
to make myself feel more important but i

984
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,240
really don't um no i

985
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,839
i haven't

986
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,520
yeah i'm just gonna like dangle all this

987
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:51,200
[\h__\h] you think i'm more important than i

988
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,000
am

989
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,720
no i gotta get invited back on this

990
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,720
joint man i have a friend

991
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,880
that knows everything

992
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,480
so i know how to play the side here

993
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,760
knows where the bodies are yeah

994
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:06,079
no but i

995
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:07,200
i

996
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,440
dot

997
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,440
right like where it's our first

998
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:28,640
opportunity

999
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,400
as a species to be like

1000
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,160
what our universe looks like and i think

1001
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,160
that in itself is

1002
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,400
mind-blowing and world-changing and view

1003
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,560
changing um

1004
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,079
yeah i don't know about the other stuff

1005
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,640
it'd be cool uh but i i think that just

1006
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,000
the fact that we are getting these

1007
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,720
images very frankly is

1008
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,200
insane um yeah we don't really know

1009
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,200
right until we see it

1010
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:54,320
right

1011
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:57,839
we'll be like yeah or oh

1012
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,310
is you know like i'm not very religious

1013
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,400
like a miracle like let's just be real

1014
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,920
we have this like this thing hurtling

1015
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,520
through space we have no idea what was

1016
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,280
going to happen so

1017
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,359
i i think

1018
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,560
um

1019
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,359
i think it might make people realize

1020
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,320
you know like if you look at the pale

1021
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,760
blue dot right it makes you realize kind

1022
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,520
of how small you are how insignificant

1023
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,599
you are how much our petty differences

1024
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,680
don't matter as much so i look a bit

1025
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,800
more and like that like esoteric aspect

1026
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,640
but i would love to be wrong i would

1027
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,800
really love to be wrong and for sean to

1028
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,000
be right and there'd be this like

1029
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,800
incredible analysis of the exoplanets i

1030
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:39,119
think that would be faller

1031
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,839
well

1032
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:40,880
again

1033
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,589
so

1034
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,320
well i want to say i i know i i have i

1035
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,440
have researched and figured out uh what

1036
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,480
amumua's intention was when it was here

1037
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,240
i know sean doesn't know but i think

1038
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,839
he's going to be excited when he hears

1039
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,800
about it

1040
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:00,400
um

1041
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,560
was here because sean was doing a solo

1042
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
at the anchor inn in buffalo where they

1043
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:08,400
have the famous chicken wings

1044
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,160
and they got came in for a closer look

1045
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,240
have a listen and then they rolled out

1046
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,480
and everybody's making it like something

1047
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,839
really weird

1048
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,440
and that's all they were here for was

1049
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:21,119
just that

1050
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:22,319
i'm like

1051
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,589
is he having the honey barbecue or is he

1052
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,480
going for the three mile island hot like

1053
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,400
so is he doing blue cheese is he doing

1054
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,640
ranch so as he got

1055
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,160
so i think they were interested in all

1056
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,680
these things you were doing the carrot

1057
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,760
sticks in the celery or were you just

1058
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,440
nope i'm naked

1059
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,520
yeah i was going naked dry and they were

1060
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,560
like let's get out of here

1061
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:50,720
audi four thousand naked gyro feel like

1062
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:55,829
i mean he has no sauce on his wings

1063
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:59,280
we're leaving but um but no stomach

1064
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,150
problems

1065
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,079
[Laughter]

1066
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,160
i figured out sean is as silly as i am

1067
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
like he comes off like he's a serious

1068
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,240
researcher he's as much of a goof ball

1069
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,079
as me man we can get serious when we

1070
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,640
have to when it's required

1071
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,839
by law

1072
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,720
um

1073
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:16,000
but no

1074
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,680
honestly

1075
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,680
the most interesting thing uh that you

1076
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,760
said there sean was

1077
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,880
signatures

1078
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,240
you know that there's certain things

1079
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,760
that that we're looking for that would

1080
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,400
indicate that there could be uh water

1081
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,400
there could be you know the elements

1082
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,079
that would make up oxygen the elements

1083
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,000
that would make up water and therefore

1084
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,920
life same thing that they're hoping to

1085
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,720
find on mars so if a muammuala sees an

1086
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,599
exoplanet that that has those markers

1087
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:44,079
i mean then i mean that that changes

1088
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,040
everything

1089
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,680
right like what the hell does an alien

1090
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,680
signature look like is it do they write

1091
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,079
in cursive

1092
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,000
i mean i think it's cyrillic characters

1093
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,160
like the russians do i don't know

1094
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,160
so like you have a good point though

1095
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,319
like would we even recognize

1096
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,400
a signature right shawn and i were just

1097
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,160
talking about it like today on twitter

1098
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,160
about communication like do we even

1099
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,920
recognize communication when we see it

1100
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,000
because communication isn't just you

1101
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,319
know us talking here or writing

1102
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,680
would we even recognize what these

1103
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,079
signatures are i mean for all we know

1104
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,079
they're like screaming into the void for

1105
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,480
us to wake up and look up and we're just

1106
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,880
you know happy we're eating drinks like

1107
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,470
sauce

1108
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,200
and he's there he's put his guitar down

1109
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,560
you say something

1110
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,560
no

1111
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,560
i thought i heard something

1112
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,319
damn it i'm hungry

1113
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,640
yeah give me an ashtray

1114
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,880
yeah that's true that's a great point i

1115
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,440
mean uh you know like i posted that

1116
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,760
plant video or whatever and you know

1117
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,560
it's just so interesting that the plants

1118
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:52,319
have their own communication and they

1119
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,200
have yeah

1120
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,920
you know uh through the root system yeah

1121
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,079
and it's like most people never i didn't

1122
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,319
even really took the time to think about

1123
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,680
that and so we were thinking about like

1124
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,680
aliens something from different planet

1125
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,319
like and how it would communicate or

1126
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,040
you know like who are we to even

1127
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,400
begin to fathom how that would go you

1128
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,520
know

1129
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,680
um well can i can i but it could be

1130
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,880
wouldn't that be funny if it was just

1131
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,560
like humans so no we're just like you

1132
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:21,119
what's the big deal

1133
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,160
no but

1134
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,000
say that because i have a pet peeve

1135
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,240
about neil degrasse tyson

1136
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:30,960
we can assume

1137
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,480
say

1138
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,160
well you know gee i wonder what their

1139
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,640
communication is like whether i

1140
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,640
eventually could understand their form

1141
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,800
of communication or not and by the way

1142
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,640
i'll just throw in here right now

1143
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,359
david mason was on the show from a tear

1144
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,560
in the sky

1145
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,640
and he is trying super smart

1146
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,119
this is going to make sean interested

1147
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,200
what he's done is he's taken whale

1148
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:57,200
sounds out in the wild

1149
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:09,510
and and with that he is

1150
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:12,550
sorry i know that's a very serious topic

1151
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,040
no that's good

1152
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,319
[Laughter]

1153
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,240
i don't know why he bothered paying

1154
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,720
money to get those signals from the noaa

1155
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,400
when he could have got it from shawn

1156
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,599
but uh

1157
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,000
but seriously mike right here and i can

1158
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,880
just hit record baby 30 bucks this time

1159
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,359
david mason if you're watching or dave

1160
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,000
altman your your brother from another uh

1161
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,839
put him in touch with sean rashford he

1162
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,790
but no but seriously so he's recording

1163
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,800
the whale sounds and what does he do

1164
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,480
i think he's getting the sounds he

1165
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,160
wouldn't tell us but i suspect he's

1166
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,480
getting him from the noaa he kind of

1167
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,760
alluded to it because you he wanted

1168
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,800
whales to be happy not shamu but whales

1169
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,319
that are in their natural environment

1170
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,800
communicating getting those sounds and

1171
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,720
then he's able so you know you have a

1172
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,400
frequency so the aliens are like it

1173
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,440
sounds freaking fun over there let's go

1174
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,800
i mean basically

1175
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,839
what he's what his purpose is

1176
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,480
he wants the phenomenon that he is

1177
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,440
broadcasting these light waves to

1178
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:17,839
to say oh look at these people they're

1179
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:21,760
taking a less advanced uh form of life

1180
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,520
on their planet and featuring them to us

1181
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,640
to show a benevolence right exactly

1182
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,800
so that's what what and when he said

1183
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,079
that on the show just come to the whales

1184
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,800
and bypass us entirely yeah and we're

1185
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,400
all we're out right like right now

1186
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,839
they're down there having a tea with the

1187
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,720
whales yeah they're like

1188
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,200
man lucky lucky you're in this ocean

1189
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:47,200
because it sucks up there on land those

1190
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,800
people are just

1191
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,079
[Laughter]

1192
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,000
pissed poor humans no they're always

1193
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,000
looking at these screens they never talk

1194
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,839
to each other they're always hitting

1195
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,040
buttons

1196
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,240
texting [\h__\h] that i hate texting texting

1197
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,720
is my least form my least favorite form

1198
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,680
of communication uh in person's number

1199
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,280
one what's that

1200
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:08,720
beeping

1201
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,319
during my drug dealing day so i don't

1202
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,560
really even remember really i still have

1203
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,720
a picture

1204
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,720
you do hold on do you seriously still

1205
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,280
have a pager that you actively yeah

1206
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,800
i have okay for business

1207
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:26,880
why would anyone even use a pager for

1208
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,309
when i was a kid there was a store by my

1209
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,400
house i ride my bike there

1210
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,760
and they had these like uh like uh

1211
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,480
like fake pagers but they weighed

1212
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,760
like they felt real but they were

1213
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,280
completely fake and the guy would just

1214
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,040
give me one and i'd walk around with the

1215
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:51,920
pager like it really worked but it

1216
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,640
yeah that would be the windows

1217
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,640
that would be such a great gag though to

1218
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,880
be out at like starbucks and there's a

1219
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,400
lot of people in there with their tech

1220
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,240
and they're emailing yeah and you're

1221
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:04,640
like a pager goes off you're like oh man

1222
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:08,640
it's brie you know i gotta give

1223
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,790
420.

1224
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,880
you know i i just want to say nathan i i

1225
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,240
thought i'd be able to keep this from

1226
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,920
going off the rails and i failed

1227
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,240
miserably uh katie it's your turn to

1228
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,880
bring up a topic buddy

1229
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,559
oh damn

1230
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,599
um

1231
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:29,440
i mean we've already covered like the

1232
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,829
somebody mentioned they were an

1233
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,520
experiencer

1234
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,240
x-name experience-a

1235
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,920
i mean you want me to talk about panic

1236
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,000
you're interacting i can do that i mean

1237
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,440
i've had

1238
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,920
experiences my whole life man being from

1239
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,680
like everything from

1240
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,160
like precognition to out-of-body

1241
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,319
experiences being apparitions that kind

1242
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,440
of stuff

1243
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,400
um

1244
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,079
and i'm not ready to like fully talk

1245
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,839
about it yet but i had my first i guess

1246
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,720
more

1247
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,400
related experience

1248
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,880
recently so it's it's an interesting

1249
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,800
world um

1250
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,640
and i definitely take

1251
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,280
validity in people's stories and i think

1252
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,599
other people should too you know um it's

1253
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,200
not just military member families

1254
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,359
experiencers like why are they valid but

1255
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,440
then the average public's not it's kind

1256
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,240
of ridiculous well it's not all

1257
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,480
both those things aren't true the val

1258
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,319
the the public is

1259
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,960
is you know valid and the military

1260
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,160
experiences are valid the only

1261
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,920
difference is that when you talk about

1262
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,839
trained observers and sometimes people

1263
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,520
have been through a certain amount of

1264
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,440
screening or whatever you can say okay

1265
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:40,079
they're a little more lucid i i mean i

1266
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,880
know

1267
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,200
maybe a couple of military experiencers

1268
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,040
and most of them are civilian and i've

1269
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,800
had people who have told me experiences

1270
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,640
that i know a lot of people wouldn't

1271
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,280
believe about in person interactions

1272
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,559
with the phenomenon and i totally

1273
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,359
believe them being in a craft uh and i

1274
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,720
believe there are some that i don't

1275
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,240
believe but there are some that i do

1276
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,240
believe and none of those people are

1277
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,160
military it has nothing to do with that

1278
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,559
it's a feeling you get like your pr

1279
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,720
precognition

1280
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,640
go ahead yeah i mean any of you guys

1281
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,400
like i have the experience of like going

1282
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,839
off like whenever i have experience

1283
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,760
going to my therapist because i'm a big

1284
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,119
fan i think everyone should have a

1285
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,680
therapist like regardless just in life

1286
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,440
and where i've gone to my therapist been

1287
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,680
like am i losing it and when your

1288
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,200
therapist goes

1289
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,240
i don't think so that's like oh damn

1290
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,480
you know like

1291
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,480
that's pretty pretty wild but i know

1292
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,400
you're much more versed in this world

1293
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,400
than i am i'm kind of new to it

1294
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,280
uh

1295
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,559
not bob not really i mean i've only had

1296
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,440
i've had like a a couple

1297
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,920
maybe three to five months worth of

1298
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,760
experiences where i was having kind of a

1299
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:48,000
lot of them in that short amount of time

1300
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,280
and and

1301
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,599
then after that it's like that could be

1302
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:54,000
something but i'm not sure you know but

1303
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:54,800
uh

1304
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,000
you know i've had one for

1305
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,240
and all started with like one major

1306
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,040
experience where i saw something 13 feet

1307
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:05,040
in front of my face a big

1308
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,839
white

1309
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,200
plasma

1310
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,200
rotating thing

1311
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,640
um

1312
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,599
the light came over my shoulder first

1313
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,800
and it followed that trajectory

1314
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,079
there was

1315
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,319
it looked like it was in slow motion um

1316
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,359
and then i had a dream that i had

1317
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,640
come true

1318
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,480
that i had years earlier about getting

1319
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:28,960
in a huge argument with my father which

1320
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,079
was just a really um odd dream to have

1321
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:34,000
because i couldn't think of any reason

1322
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:35,040
for us to

1323
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,319
get like that

1324
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,800
you know um so

1325
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:40,000
you know i remember when i had that

1326
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,440
dream and stuck with me all day and i

1327
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,000
was like why would we ever do that like

1328
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,400
because it was like do you want to

1329
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,640
fight a really bad fight i had a dream

1330
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,160
with that my father and i had a really

1331
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,160
bad fight and that just

1332
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,760
seemed kind of impossible to me at the

1333
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:55,599
time so a couple years later you know i

1334
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,119
see that the thing i talked about

1335
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,240
and

1336
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,680
then we have

1337
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,680
that fight so the dream comes true and

1338
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,319
there's reasons why we had it but

1339
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:07,839
um i won't get into that because the

1340
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,200
story gets to be too long um but

1341
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,800
so that happened and then a couple days

1342
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,200
after that i see the same thing again

1343
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,480
you know and so i'm wow just like what

1344
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,720
is all this about i remember during the

1345
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,119
fight too it was like in slow motion

1346
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,520
and i felt like outside of my body and

1347
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,440
it's just like he's throwing little

1348
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,520
blows at me and it's just pretty bad and

1349
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,040
i'm like

1350
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,599
it was just an incredible weird time and

1351
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,559
um

1352
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:36,800
you know after that i

1353
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,079
saw some red like orbs with uh my wife

1354
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,319
who saw him first on her way home

1355
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,680
called me said you want to see something

1356
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,000
weird going to go in the backyard and i

1357
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,839
go to the backyard and here they come

1358
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,760
right over our house so all this is at

1359
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,079
my house too which is super weird

1360
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:53,520
um and she's

1361
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,960
not really uh into she's not at all into

1362
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,119
the ufo thing so

1363
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,800
when she texted me that i was like this

1364
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,040
is probably pretty weird then

1365
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,309
because both of you are experiencers i

1366
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,839
have a question i'm going to pose the

1367
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,440
same question to both of you because

1368
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,040
we've got about seven minutes left to

1369
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,720
the end of the broadcast and i want to

1370
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,520
get to these and i'll just because shawn

1371
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,720
finished talking i'll start with you

1372
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,559
katie and then go to sean

1373
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,000
um dale

1374
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,720
after my experience

1375
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:26,480
the thing that's different after my

1376
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,589
um

1377
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,200
well like i i mentioned i've had

1378
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,040
experiences my whole life but i think

1379
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,270
like segmented them

1380
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,079
in my brain right you know like yeah i'd

1381
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,920
always seen like apparitions and stuff

1382
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,440
and yeah it had these few things but

1383
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,440
like my brain like my point of view

1384
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,359
which was you know pretty

1385
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,559
atheists

1386
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,119
rational science based right just

1387
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,640
couldn't

1388
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,680
deal with it um and so i think

1389
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,359
recently getting into this world and

1390
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,359
this community has

1391
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,880
forced me to kind of confront some of

1392
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,800
that and as i've confronted it i've had

1393
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,480
more experiences

1394
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,400
and i so i think really the biggest

1395
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,920
thing that's changed since i've had that

1396
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,680
mind shift

1397
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,079
is just being kicked in the ass with

1398
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,480
realizing that you know your pers my

1399
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,119
perception of reality

1400
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:22,000
and

1401
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,319
changed so i i think it's really just

1402
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,800
comes down to humility right like

1403
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,640
recognizing that like i thought i had it

1404
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,720
all figured out and i got

1405
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,839
nothing figured out and

1406
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,760
i think it's made me a more empathetic

1407
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,920
person too because

1408
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,680
i'm much less quick to judge other

1409
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,800
people now

1410
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:48,640
you know be they

1411
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,760
of a certain belief system or ha or

1412
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:53,119
sharing that they had a certain

1413
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,319
experience

1414
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,720
i kind of default to believing people

1415
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,640
and then

1416
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:00,720
evaluating from there where before i was

1417
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,000
kind of like prove it you know and um

1418
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,000
man that's been humbling

1419
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,640
uh to kind of

1420
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,680
get your um self-assuredness taken away

1421
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,599
but i think it's also exciting right

1422
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,160
it's often it's offered a lot of avenues

1423
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,760
for new possibilities

1424
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,920
so as a 55 year old i like to tell

1425
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,839
people it's great to not have decided

1426
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,440
everything yet

1427
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,359
i i don't know everything i i haven't i

1428
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,359
don't have a position on everything yet

1429
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,480
and i my goal is is that the day that

1430
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,200
i'm either going to the you know i die

1431
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,960
and they'd throw me in the cremation

1432
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,559
thing or throw me in the pine box

1433
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,880
whatever the hell ends up doing probably

1434
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,040
the former rather than the latter that

1435
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,200
i'm learning up until that day and

1436
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,520
evolving and changing i've told people

1437
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,839
recently i've changed my in the last

1438
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:50,240
couple of weeks i've changed my position

1439
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,599
on the the confluence of uap and and

1440
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:54,799
paranormal

1441
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,200
and um oh the gifting i did not believe

1442
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,480
or i did not agree with jacques vale's

1443
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,040
theory of gifting i spoke to somebody in

1444
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,359
government that

1445
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,559
i in intel that i trust knows

1446
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,839
and um

1447
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,079
he told me the person that he said

1448
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,400
not only were we gifted something but

1449
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,640
that they came and took that thing back

1450
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,880
that craft back

1451
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,960
and i said how sure are you of this

1452
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,200
person that relayed this information to

1453
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:28,000
you and he said i trust him with my life

1454
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:28,799
so

1455
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,640
just we're always learning i'm 55 years

1456
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,599
old hopefully when i'm 75 i'm saying the

1457
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,280
same thing sean

1458
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,920
after my experience this is what's

1459
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,920
changed dot dot dot

1460
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,520
my phone

1461
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:49,599
became full of

1462
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,380
uh screenshots of documents

1463
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,440
[Laughter]

1464
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,839
so as a result of it you're like max

1465
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,480
mccabe you're all in you're re and and

1466
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,920
yours is it's recent yeah yeah research

1467
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:04,079
uh for sure like

1468
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,520
you know it was kind of different was my

1469
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,079
experience also happened around the you

1470
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,480
know when everything shut down because a

1471
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,319
coronavirus so

1472
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,839
you know my life changed

1473
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,799
and for

1474
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,559
two reasons really

1475
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:21,040
first it was coronavirus everything shut

1476
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:21,920
down

1477
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:25,280
and then uh the the experience which you

1478
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,160
know

1479
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,280
it i'm like

1480
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,799
that's kind of a good thing because i

1481
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,960
needed something to focus on

1482
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,319
you know because

1483
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,799
i was like i couldn't play out anymore

1484
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,119
like i had all these vinyl records i

1485
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,960
just bought for an album i made i

1486
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,200
couldn't sell them i couldn't play shows

1487
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,559
and i was like

1488
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,720
just down in that freaking dumps man and

1489
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,839
then uh

1490
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,680
this happened and it kind of distracted

1491
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,680
me from that and gave me a focus and

1492
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,960
gave me something

1493
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,079
you know

1494
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:55,920
it sounds depressing i guess but to live

1495
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,119
for you know is is you know researching

1496
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,119
that mystery and and

1497
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,359
trying to figure it out and boy like it

1498
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,799
didn't take too long for me to find

1499
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:07,920
enough uh actual documents for for me to

1500
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,200
realize that i was not insane and this

1501
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:14,160
has happened a lot to a lot of people

1502
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,280
um

1503
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,200
and you know at that point you're just

1504
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,640
like wow

1505
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:21,920
what the frick i cannot believe this

1506
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,040
because i was i'm definitely

1507
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,920
uh make fun of the go show guy

1508
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,960
you know where they're always like oh

1509
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,480
did you hear that you hear that ah

1510
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:32,480
that's all crap you know and

1511
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:36,880
you know ufos like yeah ufos no like i

1512
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:39,680
did watch unidentified and i thought it

1513
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,880
was uh fun but for entertainment like i

1514
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,440
was still like a skeptic

1515
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,280
really not like a

1516
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,359
not like a talk crap about it

1517
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,760
and you know kind of skeptic but it's

1518
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,760
like it's fun but i don't really take it

1519
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,280
seriously you know and then that

1520
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,359
happened it's like

1521
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,119
boy

1522
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,799
it's it's real

1523
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,760
so

1524
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,640
yeah

1525
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,720
as lou says it's not whether or not

1526
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,799
they're here that's we're way past that

1527
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,760
now it's why are they here and what is

1528
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,599
their you know basically what is their

1529
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,680
their purpose who are they but yeah

1530
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,839
exactly but whether or not they're here

1531
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,280
i'm not even when people try to bring

1532
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,280
that i'm not even entertaining that it

1533
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,440
that's been proven and the fact that

1534
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,480
congress made legislation means that

1535
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,720
you know there's it's a conspiracy to

1536
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,880
think otherwise at this point

1537
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,040
well right because

1538
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,359
you want to paint it you know you got

1539
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,119
the mick west out there they're gonna

1540
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,200
they're gonna they're going to find a

1541
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,119
thread to pull on that that will

1542
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,880
ultimately be meaningless

1543
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,440
um it's time to say i can't believe it's

1544
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,319
already been an hour

1545
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:47,760
goodbye

1546
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,599
it is man um sean tell us uh tell

1547
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,839
everybody about where they can find all

1548
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,440
of your stuff of course i will have it

1549
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,319
in the show notes but please or yeah you

1550
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,440
better man

1551
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:01,520
okay i'm just kidding yeah he's gonna

1552
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,789
witness

1553
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,839
citizen

1554
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,160
w-i-t-n-e-s-s

1555
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,359
space c-i-t-i-z-e-n

1556
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,760
you can find me on twitter instagram or

1557
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:17,200
youtube

1558
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,309
seven four four four five three three

1559
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,119
two two there are more people on ufo

1560
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,359
twitter that have my phone number

1561
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,200
and i speak to one signal on a regular

1562
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,119
you would not believe it like i i told

1563
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,559
katie i guess she probably said oh man

1564
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,319
this guy's giving me his number oh

1565
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,160
there's tons and tons of people who have

1566
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,240
my number and i love it when i get

1567
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,559
signal messages from the uk or

1568
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,040
benji or you know people call me from

1569
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:46,799
all over the place and i just love it

1570
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,240
and it's it's great dan uh dan uh warren

1571
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,079
you know all kinds of people i speak

1572
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:54,079
with i tell my phone lines always if i'm

1573
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,200
at work

1574
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:57,280
it's not that i'm cool

1575
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,470
i don't like texting i do it when i have

1576
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,880
to but i love to interact with people

1577
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,400
and find out what they're thinking and

1578
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,720
discuss issues which you know i kind of

1579
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,880
started a podcast for that reason katie

1580
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,319
tell everybody about where they can find

1581
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,710
is it awful that i actually don't know

1582
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,640
what my twitter handle is

1583
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:23,119
like it's some version of my name

1584
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,640
okay

1585
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:26,559
it's some version of my name i hope you

1586
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:46,870
um

1587
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,119
to anyone

1588
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,319
um otherwise feel free to tell me no but

1589
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,640
and i'm gonna be starting my own podcast

1590
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,119
finally because they're just not enough

1591
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,880
there's not enough of us i feel like you

1592
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,200
need more um but no i'm going to try to

1593
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,799
highlight people that don't get

1594
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,440
highlighted as much aka

1595
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,640
women and yeah that's why you're on here

1596
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,440
because we want to highlight people

1597
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,440
that's why that's what we always have

1598
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,760
people on when we did that round table

1599
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,359
and sean will tell you this there are

1600
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,119
people on that ra on that british

1601
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:22,799
invasion that he had no clue who they

1602
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,520
were

1603
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,599
uh and that was the idea of it but if i

1604
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,920
bring on dan and vinnie and graham then

1605
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,160
i know people are gonna know davey who

1606
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,200
no one heard of or charlotte or

1607
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,119
you know max is is fairly well known but

1608
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,680
that that's the anna witty ended up uh

1609
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,000
not showing up but but she was you know

1610
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:42,000
we wanted people to know about her but

1611
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,960
anyway

1612
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:45,280
i want to say to you katie that i know

1613
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,319
uap experiencer steph our new

1614
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,440
uh staff member on cab uh who just put

1615
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,920
out her first episode would absolutely

1616
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,559
love to have you on to talk about your

1617
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,799
experience she is to say that she's

1618
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,640
passionate about experiences would be a

1619
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,039
little bit of an understatement and

1620
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:05,039
i'll connect you

1621
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,839
great too

1622
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,960
good

1623
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,000
anytime

1624
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,920
i like chatting too

1625
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,000
yeah the other thing

1626
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:13,920
i know i'm not when i heard you on his

1627
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,039
show you were so phenomenal um but yes

1628
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,839
when you get get your show out make sure

1629
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:22,480
you me i love it i love his hat i was

1630
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:25,039
gonna say elliott ness but now you need

1631
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,720
something to talk to you

1632
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,520
it's one of the cosby kids i love it i

1633
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:31,359
love it i love it i love it i need

1634
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:32,839
attention

1635
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,720
yeah i'm totally that kid are you hungry

1636
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,799
i am hungry we're gonna let you go get

1637
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,440
your tater tots in one second um but i

1638
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,000
just was good

1639
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:45,920
but i want to let and please put some

1640
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,119
sauce on those wings but i want i want

1641
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,760
i i just want katie to know when you uh

1642
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,160
when you put your episode out uh i'll

1643
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,480
throw it out on cab so that you know

1644
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,640
more people will see it so once you get

1645
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,880
that uh i'll i'll give you like a drop

1646
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,400
box you can throw it in there

1647
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:04,480
and your first episode will go out on

1648
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,359
cab

1649
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,079
to everybody that subscribes to myself

1650
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:11,280
deb stephanie uh shane and allison blah

1651
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,799
blah blah blah okay

1652
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,880
you guys are great i love how helpful

1653
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,440
ufo twitter can be

1654
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,160
yeah

1655
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,559
don't focus on don't focus don't focus

1656
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:22,799
on the idiots and the ones who are here

1657
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,119
to just uh debunk and cause trouble

1658
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:27,039
focus on people that are bringing a

1659
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:28,720
measure of positivity like the guy

1660
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,359
that's sitting in between us right now

1661
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,480
uh and james and all just whomever it is

1662
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,559
that you get a positive vibe from that's

1663
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,000
right man

1664
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,160
that's right stay in the circle baby

1665
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,720
sean uh it's it's been

1666
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,559
it's it's been so long

1667
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,799
uh we've never had an opportunity to

1668
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:48,880
talk so i'm really glad that uh that we

1669
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,200
did it it won't be the last time and you

1670
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,440
were just a load of fun man a load of

1671
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,520
fun thank you so are you you brought my

1672
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,400
spirits up thanks for having us really

1673
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,079
fun

1674
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:02,240
it's an honor to have both of you

1675
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,200
um

1676
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:04,799
and we'll see you down the road so for

1677
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,839
yeah for katie for sean this is dj for

1678
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,079
calling all beings the whole crew who's

1679
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:12,079
out tonight we love you guys i miss you

1680
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:13,839
can't wait you're coming back nathan

1681
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:15,920
will be back uh this next week and then

1682
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,960
we go kick it off again baby so for the

1683
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,520
homies right here this is dj saying

1684
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,319
peace out one love we'll see you down